Lucie's case update

[yambabe]

I guess only the other person involved will now know what ruly happened that day.

I hope that speaking to the police about it will be able to give you closure Couch, whatever they say. x

[Cousin Jack]

IME the CPS almost always take the easy route.

Is it an open-and-shut case, we prosecute
Is it complicated, and/or might we lose, we won't bother

[Dingbat]

Fair enough but let's look at this at speed, say 150mph -that's travelling at 225 feet per second. Doesn't take someone long to 'appear from nowhere' does it?

I'm not suggesting that was the speed, simply using it as an example

Understand what you're saying, but knowing the road probably as well as Tony does, it is straight as a die between the roundabout and where it happened. Anyone looking properly before they pull across the road would have had clear visibility of any vehicles approaching - although it may possibly have been difficult to work out the speed of those vehicles.

Unfortunately, that particular bit of dual carriageway also has places where vehicles can do u-turns.

[Splat]

IME the CPS almost always take the easy route.

Is it an open-and-shut case, we prosecute
Is it complicated, and/or might we lose, we won't bother

Sadly this echoes quite a few comments made by other people recently. They may close the case, but it doesn't really help people like CC close it.

[Revvin Kevin]

Unfortunately, that particular bit of dual carriageway also has places where vehicles can do u-turns.

Therefore in order to prevent this type of accident occuring again, regardless of speed, U turns should be prohibited.

[Gedge]

Therefore in order to prevent this type of accident occuring again, regardless of speed, U turns should be prohibited.

Its perfectly possible to have locations where doing a U turn is a safe thing to do..I am sure some coud argue that instead of banning U turns, better control of speeding vehicles is the answer...
It all depends what side of the fence you are sitting on...........

[Revvin Kevin]

Its perfectly possible to have locations where doing a U turn is a safe thing to do..I am sure some coud argue that instead of banning U turns, better control of speeding vehicles is the answer...
It all depends what side of the fence you are sitting on...........

Exactly, the authorities are more likely to site a speed camera or reduce the speed limit to 50mph on the stretch of road in question rather than prohibit U turns despite there being a roundabout nearby.

[Gedge]

Exactly, the authorities are more likely to site a speed camera or reduce the speed limit to 50mph on the stretch of road in question rather than prohibit U turns despite there being a roundabout nearby.

Maybe because doing one is currently legal and the other isnt....we see many threads about authority cracking down on legal activity due to the actions of a few ( public drinking etc.) this would be another example of punishing the careful and law abiding majority of U turners ...although this may not be the thread to carry on such a discussion..

[Deer Stalker]

Exactly, the authorities are more likely to site a speed camera or reduce the speed limit to 50mph on the stretch of road in question rather than prohibit U turns despite there being a roundabout nearby.

It would be a bit bizarre but so perfecty pc safety conscious to do away with any form of crossing or u turning in a road wouldn't it. We could call all roads -motorways!

[Tomcat]

Exactly, the authorities are more likely to site a speed camera or reduce the speed limit to 50mph on the stretch of road in question rather than prohibit U turns despite there being a roundabout nearby.

Exactly what happened near us - a NSL dual carriageway with a couple of turns halfway along it where a minor road crosses. They had some accidents there due to vehicles pulling across or slowing abruptly to turn, so instead of blocking the gap in the centre they made it 50mph with 2 sets of Gatsos each way.

They still have accidents there

[Yambo]

Exactly what happened near us - a NSL dual carriageway with a couple of turns halfway along it where a minor road crosses. They had some accidents there due to vehicles pulling across or slowing abruptly to turn, so instead of blocking the gap in the centre they made it 50mph with 2 sets of Gatsos each way.

They still have accidents there

The same type of accidents?

[Tomcat]

The same type of accidents?

Well, there are the usual skid marks in front of the cameras but I don't know if any of those have actually caused accidents. I do know there is currently a sign at the junction appealing for witnesses, and I've seen debris there more than once.

Grounds to reduce the limits again I suppose.

[Veggie Dave]

Sadly this echoes quite a few comments made by other people recently.

In cases such as road 'accidents' they also consider whether or not the case could adversly affect the family of the victim. Losing the case could affect, for example, life insurance claims.

In this case one of their reasons could be the stress and heart ache that could result in prosecuting. After all, the defense will do anything and everything to get their client off - and if that means destroying Grib's name and memory, they won't care.

Sometimes the CPS seem to simply be braindead, but sometimes they have genuine reasons.

Of course, having spent last weekend drinking with judges and barristers (yes, really), I learnt a hell of a lot about the judicial system in this country. Put simply, it's fucked.

[Yambo]

Grounds to reduce the limits again I suppose.

It might be grounds for putting in a £2m roundabout. That'll slow the buggers down and free up a camera to be placed somewhere else.

[Bigyin]

IME the CPS almost always take the easy route.

Is it an open-and-shut case, we prosecute
Is it complicated, and/or might we lose, we won't bother

The CPS operate to the guidelines that they will only prosecute a case where they have more than a 50/50 chance of a successful prosecution.

I speak to their lawyers on a daily basis and the first thing out of their mouths usually are the negatives and what the defence will say.

Sadly in Lucie's case there is really only one point of view to speak and that is the driver so there will be lots for him to say and nothing apart from post accident road markings, gear the bike was in etc to speak for Lucie

Hope you get the answers you need Tony