IAM Statistics

Daytona Paul · 26-01-10, 21:45

Done a very quick search and don't think this has been posted before

http://www.iam.org.uk/images/stories..._Report_v7.pdf

saga_lout · 26-01-10, 22:09

What is it?

I can see it's a pdf. Why do I want to waste 5 minutes downloading it?

AlanC · 26-01-10, 22:33

Pretty much what you might expect. The foreword:

Quote:

Motorcycling can be the riskiest way to travel. For every
kilometre travelled, a motorcyclist is fifty times more likely to
become a casualty than a car driver.

This latest IAM study reviews and reappraises the risk. It
analyses 150,000 motorcycle casualties over seven years,
highlights where and when motorcyclists are most at risk and
explains why they become casualties. Bike size, road layout,
junctions and bends, weather, time of day and seasons are
some of the contributory factors. But most significant are the
age of the rider and inexperience. Fewer than 20 per cent of
motorcyclists are under 30 but they represent half of all rider
casualties. As many people take the motorcycle test after they
are 30, the casualty figures include inexperienced riders in their
30s and 40s.

The motorcycle and driving tests examine basic competencies.
Motorcyclists and drivers then tend to develop their skills the
hard way – on their own – and all too often suffer a crash along
the way. For a car driver, a minor collision may cause no injury
but on a bike it can result in serious injury or death. This is why
riders are so much more at risk, and why motorcycling can be
the most dangerous way to travel.

Is this vastly greater risk reducible? Yes. A key solution lies in
extra training and advanced riding qualifications. Learning from
experienced motorcyclists how to ride with greater precision,
awareness and anticipation is the best way to develop the
extra skills and the right attitude to be a safer rider, and not a
casualty statistic.

Safe riders are made, not born. Organisations like the IAM exist
to turn inexperienced and vulnerable motorcyclists into skilled
and thinking riders who can safely enjoy the freedom and
sheer pleasure of life on two wheels.

Accident stats with a self promotional twist.

Adam · 26-01-10, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by saga_lout

What is it?

I can see it's a pdf. Why do I want to waste 5 minutes downloading it?

You still on dialup?

It is a document entitled
IAM Motorcycling Facts.
Oddly considering the title of the thread it is concerning statistics of motorcycling (accidents as it happens).

I have no idea why you would want to waste your time downloading it tho.
If it sounds like something that might interest you you wont be wasting your time, and if it doesn't, well, you wont waste your time.

Adam · 26-01-10, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanC

Accident stats with a self promotional twist.

Aye, I'm loving the grey boxes with the relevant (IAM: How to be a better rider) quotes that would allegedly prevent that kind of accident statistic.

saga_lout · 26-01-10, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

You still on dialup?

It is a document entitled
IAM Motorcycling Facts.
Oddly considering the title of the thread it is concerning statistics of motorcycling (accidents as it happens).

I have no idea why you would want to waste your time downloading it tho.
If it sounds like something that might interest you you wont be wasting your time, and if it doesn't, well, you wont waste your time.

Whether or not I'm on dialup isn't the issue here. We've got a heading "IAM Statistics" a sentence that tells us nothing about the subject and a link to a pdf called IAMmotorcyclist_Report_v7 which also tells us nothing about the subject. A little more information wouldn't have gone amiss, would it?

BigFella · 27-01-10, 09:10

I would hate to re-ignite any sort of anti/pro IAM thing............but IMHO this report makes a very good job of bringing all the various different factors that have a bearing on our staying alive together. Taking that a little further, I would love to see it made a standard hand-out by both private and organisational training agencies.................................what say the pro's?

Bonners · 27-01-10, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFella

I would hate to re-ignite any sort of anti/pro IAM thing............but IMHO this report makes a very good job of bringing all the various different factors that have a bearing on our staying alive together. Taking that a little further, I would love to see it made a standard hand-out by both private and organisational training agencies.................................what say the pro's?

Quite right, maybe not in the IAM format, but it does make interesting reading. I would have thought that any regular readers of this forum would be able to have a good guess at where most of the injuries and eaths are occuring, and unfortunately the facts bear it out, it is leisure riding on A-roads and unclassified roads. The typical SMIDSY accounts for a far smaller proportion of the serious injuries and deaths.

The Spin Doctor · 27-01-10, 10:08

I've already commented on this elsewhere a month ago...

"it's all a bit vague... doesn't actually produce any evidence that post-test training cuts accidents (there's no claim that the older riders who allegedly have few accidents have taken any training at all!), and the conclusion that younger riders are at risk is probably skewed by the unqualified moped and 125 riders who are overrepresented in casualty figures, something that doesn't get a mention.

"One thing that is worth flagging up is that 50% of the fatalities occured when the rider left the road and hit a roadside obstacle - so how much real use is body armour? As I've said before, it's really only designed to cushion the impact of falling from the height of the bike (and a bit for highsides) to ground level, not absorbing the energy generated by the weight of your body stopping suddenly against a tree."

Adam · 27-01-10, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by saga_lout

Whether or not I'm on dialup isn't the issue here.

Might not be THE issue, but it's certainly AN issue if it take five minutes for you7 to download such a small file.

Quote:

We've got a heading "IAM Statistics" a sentence that tells us nothing about the subject and a link to a pdf called IAMmotorcyclist_Report_v7 which also tells us nothing about the subject. A little more information wouldn't have gone amiss, would it?

No, hence I supplied you some further information.
Still not happy and blithering on about it? Theres a surprise.

saga_lout · 27-01-10, 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

Might not be THE issue, but it's certainly AN issue if it take five minutes for you7 to download such a small file.

I must have missed that. Where does it tell me how big the file is?

BigFella · 27-01-10, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Spin Doctor

I've already commented on this elsewhere a month ago...

"One thing that is worth flagging up is that 50% of the fatalities occured when the rider left the road and hit a roadside obstacle - so how much real use is body armour?"

Indeed - and it makes me feel a little sad that 3M have discontinued the marketing of their "frangible" road signs..........they may not have been the ultimate cure-all but at least they were a step in the right direction.... For those that don't know them, they are designed so that instead of causing massive damage to the vehicle - or you, they shatter on impact.

3M UK & Ireland: News and Events - Product News

Adam · 27-01-10, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFella

Indeed - and it makes me feel a little sad that 3M have discontinued the marketing of their "frangible" road signs..........they may not have been the ultimate cure-all but at least they were a step in the right direction.... For those that don't know them, they are designed so that instead of causing massive damage to the vehicle - or you, they shatter on impact.

3M UK & Ireland: News and Events - Product News

I wish they had dropped their latest highly reflective (generally with a big yellow box bordering them) signs instead. They dazzle the hell out of you at night. It's a bit much when you have to go on dip to avoid dazzling yourself!

Horse · 27-01-10, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFella

3M have discontinued the marketing of their "frangible" road signs

AFAIK they're not the only Co. making such posts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

I wish they had dropped their latest highly reflective (generally with a big yellow box bordering them) signs instead. They dazzle the hell out of you at night. It's a bit much when you have to go on dip to avoid dazzling yourself!

It's not their fault; blame the people in councils who specify that grade of material.

Oddly enough, you should also be grateful you can see them - HGV drivers sat some way higher than their vehicle's lights can't as they get closer to the sign because of the narrow 'cone' of light reflected back!

Adam · 27-01-10, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horse

Oddly enough, you should also be grateful you can see them - HGV drivers sat some way higher than their vehicle's lights can't as they get closer to the sign because of the narrow 'cone' of light reflected back!

I can assure you, as a regular driver of HGVs, that has never been the case for any sign I have ever seen.

26-01-10, 21:45	#1
Daytona Paul A Bit Bored Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Nr. Southwold Posts: 66 Casino cash: £663100 Thanks: 2 Thanked: 1/1	IAM Statistics Done a very quick search and don't think this has been posted before http://www.iam.org.uk/images/stories..._Report_v7.pdf

26-01-10, 22:09	#2
saga_lout Grumpy Old Git Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Exiled in Essex Posts: 3,362 Casino cash: £1818820 Thanks: 22 Thanked: 66/64	Re: IAM Statistics What is it? I can see it's a pdf. Why do I want to waste 5 minutes downloading it?
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27-01-10, 09:10	#7
BigFella Clapped Out Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Halfway between Inverness and Wick Posts: 856 Casino cash: £602103 Thanks: 5 Thanked: 3/3	Re: IAM Statistics I would hate to re-ignite any sort of anti/pro IAM thing............but IMHO this report makes a very good job of bringing all the various different factors that have a bearing on our staying alive together. Taking that a little further, I would love to see it made a standard hand-out by both private and organisational training agencies.................................what say the pro's?
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27-01-10, 10:08	#9
The Spin Doctor May contain nuts Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kent, but also train in Oxford Posts: 3,505 Casino cash: £1909385 Thanks: 52 Thanked: 122/96	Re: IAM Statistics I've already commented on this elsewhere a month ago... "it's all a bit vague... doesn't actually produce any evidence that post-test training cuts accidents (there's no claim that the older riders who allegedly have few accidents have taken any training at all!), and the conclusion that younger riders are at risk is probably skewed by the unqualified moped and 125 riders who are overrepresented in casualty figures, something that doesn't get a mention. "One thing that is worth flagging up is that 50% of the fatalities occured when the rider left the road and hit a roadside obstacle - so how much real use is body armour? As I've said before, it's really only designed to cushion the impact of falling from the height of the bike (and a bit for highsides) to ground level, not absorbing the energy generated by the weight of your body stopping suddenly against a tree."
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IAM Statistics

Done a very quick search and don't think this has been posted before http://www.iam.org.uk/images/stories..._Report_v7.pdf...