MP3s

FreshAL · 19-08-09, 15:27

passed car test Jan 2000 and I have B1, dated same as car test pass

niggle · 22-08-09, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by iansoady

Have you had a replacement licence? I passed my car test in 1966 and bike in 1972 and my licence (photocard, replaced in 2005 as I lost the original) shows:

A,B,BE,B1,C1,C1E,D1,D1E,f,k,l,n,p.

Maybe if you replaced / updated yours the entitlements have dropped off. By all accounts it's well-nigh impossible to get them reinstated.

I have exactly the same entitlements, passed car test 1989 and bike test 1999. More informative is the fact that the B1 entitlement says from 1999, i.e. the car test in 1989 did not give entitlement, the 1999 bike test did.

Jeffers · 22-08-09, 12:08

reply from DSA:

The DSA are responsible for the monitoring of driving instructors and for conducting the driving test. Although we try to assist with all queries received, specific licence enquires need to be directed to the DVLA.

That's helpful... Off to DVLA I go. meh.

Jeffers · 22-08-09, 13:13

Well the DVLA have replied much faster.

"B1 is a subcategory of B. A person with a full B entitlement on their driving licence can drive trikes or quad bikes that usually fall under the category B1."

So its all good then. If you have B then you by definition have B1 even if it doesn't say so on your license.

The Spin Doctor · 22-08-09, 13:26

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Originally Posted by Jeffers

Well the DVLA have replied much faster.

"B1 is a subcategory of B. A person with a full B entitlement on their driving licence can drive trikes or quad bikes that usually fall under the category B1."

So its all good then. If you have B then you by definition have B1 even if it doesn't say so on your license.

I'm not convinced that answer is correct in the circumstances of a licence that shows Cat B but not Cat B1 - if it's not on the licence AFAIK you don't have entitlement, regardless of what SHOULD be issued with a test pass in category B.

B1 might be a subcategory of B, but it's a seperate entitlement IYSWIM, because you can take a B1 test and get a B1 licence (on its own - a three wheeler test doesn't give you entitlement to drive Cat B.

As I've said, I've just checked the licence of someone who passed the car test just a few weeks ago - B1 is clearly displayed on there.

My own best guess is that when they stopped issuing the B1 entitlement with a motorcycle licence, which was dropped in 2001, there was a time gap in which it wasn't automatically issued with a Cat B test.

Jeffers · 22-08-09, 13:38

Its a good job I don't actually plan to buy a three wheeler any time soon isnt it? But its pissing me off that if I do in say 10 years time, this can of worms could be reopened because my license doesn't say B1 on it

The MP3 is a prime example of why its a concern. I suspect this class of vehicle will start to apply to more than the traditional robin reliants and trikes.

The Spin Doctor · 22-08-09, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffers

Its a good job I don't actually plan to buy a three wheeler any time soon isnt it? But its pissing me off that if I do in say 10 years time, this can of worms could be reopened because my license doesn't say B1 on it

The MP3 is a prime example of why its a concern. I suspect this class of vehicle will start to apply to more than the traditional robin reliants and trikes.

It's a complete PITA, quite frankly... the class is really on the licence because of those three-wheeled vans the italians in particular use, I suspect - if you look at the symbol on the licence, that's clearly what's pictured.

It's a complete PITA for instructors too, trying to keep track of licences and how they have changed entitlements, not to mention the swap from the old UK groups to the new Euro groups - there are still people around with the old Euro licences.

Jeffers · 22-08-09, 14:00

A quick google found this:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/quehttp:...1052122AA4z7Og

which at least is another DVLA bod (supposedly) saying the same thing.

I think now I am fairly satisfied if I was stopped riding a 3 wheeler I wouldnt have license issues.

The Spin Doctor · 22-08-09, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffers

A quick google found this:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/quehttp:...1052122AA4z7Og

which at least is another DVLA bod (supposedly) saying the same thing.

I think now I am fairly satisfied if I was stopped riding a 3 wheeler I wouldnt have license issues.

You've cut and paste two links together there

To be candid, "fairly satisfied" isn't really good enough, is it, where your licence is concerned. If you're not licenced, you're not insured either. Not your fault - it's the confusing licencing system!

Jeffers · 22-08-09, 17:39

What does the b1 part of my driving license mean? and what size of vehicle can i drive? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers

doh. Thats what I meant. And I agree that its not that good, I dont think I'd be buying such a vehicle before I'd found out for sure, but what else can you do apart from ask the DVLA? Ask the police? Even they may say yeah its fine, and then the rozzer that actually stops you could say it isnt.

The Spin Doctor · 22-08-09, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffers

What does the b1 part of my driving license mean? and what size of vehicle can i drive? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers

doh. Thats what I meant. And I agree that its not that good, I dont think I'd be buying such a vehicle before I'd found out for sure, but what else can you do apart from ask the DVLA? Ask the police? Even they may say yeah its fine, and then the rozzer that actually stops you could say it isnt.

Well, I wouldn't put much faith in that answer:

"Category B1 gives you the entitlement to drive a Quad/Trike, milk-float etc. It is no longer issued on driving licences because category B now covers it."

...because it clearly IS issued on driving licences (it's a couple of years old so that might have something to do with it) when you pass a Cat B (car) test.

You might have to get back to the DVLA with a more specific question

wasabi · 22-08-09, 23:39

Interesting link on how Piaggio are selling it

Technically, the 465mm distance between the front wheels classes the LT as a trike, meaning that it can be ridden without a bike license, and furthermore without a helmet.*

Piaggio are offering at no extra cost a day’s training to prepare LT buyers for the road, which we strongly recommend you take. Although it is technically a trike, the MP3 still rides like a bike and you need all the same skills to stay safe on the road whether you were riding a 50cc or a 1000cc

The Spin Doctor · 23-08-09, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasabi

Interesting link on how Piaggio are selling it

Technically, the 465mm distance between the front wheels classes the LT as a trike, meaning that it can be ridden without a bike license, and furthermore without a helmet.*

Piaggio are offering at no extra cost a day’s training to prepare LT buyers for the road, which we strongly recommend you take. Although it is technically a trike, the MP3 still rides like a bike and you need all the same skills to stay safe on the road whether you were riding a 50cc or a 1000cc

£6500 on the road

I'm sure they can afford a day's training "at no extra cost" for that price!

If they were priced in the GS500 bracket, I'm sure they'd sell!

19-08-09, 15:27	#31
FreshAL Not Much To Do Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Reading, ish Posts: 505 Cash: £1675700 Thanks: 32 Thanked: 20/18	Re: MP3s passed car test Jan 2000 and I have B1, dated same as car test pass

22-08-09, 12:08	#33
Jeffers At Work Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambs Posts: 1,090 Cash: £1656804 Thanks: 106 Thanked: 39/33	Re: MP3s reply from DSA: The DSA are responsible for the monitoring of driving instructors and for conducting the driving test. Although we try to assist with all queries received, specific licence enquires need to be directed to the DVLA. That's helpful... Off to DVLA I go. meh.

22-08-09, 13:13	#34
Jeffers At Work Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambs Posts: 1,090 Cash: £1656804 Thanks: 106 Thanked: 39/33	Re: MP3s Well the DVLA have replied much faster. "B1 is a subcategory of B. A person with a full B entitlement on their driving licence can drive trikes or quad bikes that usually fall under the category B1." So its all good then. If you have B then you by definition have B1 even if it doesn't say so on your license.

22-08-09, 13:38	#36
Jeffers At Work Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambs Posts: 1,090 Cash: £1656804 Thanks: 106 Thanked: 39/33	Re: MP3s Its a good job I don't actually plan to buy a three wheeler any time soon isnt it? But its pissing me off that if I do in say 10 years time, this can of worms could be reopened because my license doesn't say B1 on it The MP3 is a prime example of why its a concern. I suspect this class of vehicle will start to apply to more than the traditional robin reliants and trikes.

22-08-09, 14:00	#38
Jeffers At Work Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambs Posts: 1,090 Cash: £1656804 Thanks: 106 Thanked: 39/33	Re: MP3s A quick google found this: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/quehttp:...1052122AA4z7Og which at least is another DVLA bod (supposedly) saying the same thing. I think now I am fairly satisfied if I was stopped riding a 3 wheeler I wouldnt have license issues.


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22-08-09, 17:39	#40
Jeffers At Work Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambs Posts: 1,090 Cash: £1656804 Thanks: 106 Thanked: 39/33	Re: MP3s What does the b1 part of my driving license mean? and what size of vehicle can i drive? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers doh. Thats what I meant. And I agree that its not that good, I dont think I'd be buying such a vehicle before I'd found out for sure, but what else can you do apart from ask the DVLA? Ask the police? Even they may say yeah its fine, and then the rozzer that actually stops you could say it isnt.

22-08-09, 23:39	#42
wasabi Really Bored Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oxfordish Posts: 2,107 Cash: £1755990 Thanks: 26 Thanked: 20/19	Re: MP3s Interesting link on how Piaggio are selling it Technically, the 465mm distance between the front wheels classes the LT as a trike, meaning that it can be ridden without a bike license, and furthermore without a helmet.* Piaggio are offering at no extra cost a day’s training to prepare LT buyers for the road, which we strongly recommend you take. Although it is technically a trike, the MP3 still rides like a bike and you need all the same skills to stay safe on the road whether you were riding a 50cc or a 1000cc

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