Phillips MotoVision

The Spin Doctor · 02-02-08, 09:10

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But what about the people you dazzle?

Eggs and omelettes... but I woud say that on a bike you're usually more dazzled than dazzler, given the array of headlights, improperly focussed driving lights, illegally used fog lights and now those stupid LEDs Audi have seen fit to bling their latest model with.

Bring back dim-dip! Makes far more sense to town driving under street lights, particularly on a wet night.

Voyager · 02-02-08, 09:17

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Originally Posted by The Spin Doctor

Eggs and omelettes... but I woud say that on a bike you're usually more dazzled than dazzler, given the array of headlights, improperly focussed driving lights, illegally used fog lights and now those stupid LEDs Audi have seen fit to bling their latest model with.

I don't think that just because others are dazzling you you have the 'right' to dazzle others.

The Spin Doctor · 02-02-08, 09:27

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I don't think that just because others are dazzling you you have the 'right' to dazzle others.

No, agreed.

wasabi · 02-02-08, 11:12

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Originally Posted by Voyager

Corrected for you - and a link for other sufferers.

But what about the people you dazzle?

Apologies - memory going and too much tequila.

TRXnMe · 03-02-08, 12:35

Two things occur to me reading the original link.

First one is that maybe the orange lights might help, after all they are something 'different', things that are different get the attention of the human eye. So, they might work to get you seen in daylight.

The second, is how on earth do they think changing the bulb will add range to the beams? Surely this is purely the role of the reflector?

I must say, the bike chosen for the shots is quite stunning though... It also has some rather good lights as standard, I came down the M50 last night on mine, as there were virtually no other vehicles on the road, so I got to use main beam for most of the run. It's the first time I've been able to do that on a really fast road and I doubt I'd gain much at all from HID lights, I've done a similar trip in an Audi with HID fitted, the big Fazer gave me a very similar level of light.

PokenH00D · 03-02-08, 12:39

I put one in my Meanstreak last year.
Bike already has a good light (7" round) and I can't say that it puts more light onto the road at night.
However, comments I have had are all along the lines of "what type of bulb you got? It looks orange at the bottom"
This would indicate that said people have taken an extra moment to look and if this extra seconds look prevents someone from pulling out on me then it was worth the £11-ish quid I paid.
Also for reference, the orange flips to the top on full beam, which really stands out if you flash the lights.

The Spin Doctor · 03-02-08, 13:48

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First one is that maybe the orange lights might help, after all they are something 'different', things that are different get the attention of the human eye. So, they might work to get you seen in daylight.

Yes I mentioned that above and in the old thread... but the main problem with using dipped beam to do this is that it's deliberately designed NOT to shine at the person looking in your direction! It's focussed down!

For years I used a 20w halogen pilot bulb as a day riding light precisely because it produced a fairly bright but diffuse light. A coloured LED might be the way to do.

And as I've already said if you want a quick H4/H7 swap, there are cheaper options if you just think that a coloured headlight might help.

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The second, is how on earth do they think changing the bulb will add range to the beams? Surely this is purely the role of the reflector?

Basically the idea is that the filament can get hotter for the same current draw, thus putting out more light. The amount of light you see at any distance is proportional to power and the distance, so all being equal with regard to the focus of the beam, basically the more light goes out, the further the useful range reaches. IIRC, they claim to up the light outputby using a different halide gas, but there was an awful lot of marketing-speak about "revolutionary use" of quartz for the bulb - all halogen bulbs use quartz AFAIK as it doesn't melt at the temps the bulbs reach - glass would.

However, the short life suggests that the trade off to more light is that the bulb destroys itself more quickly.

Manic · 06-02-08, 22:16

Evening Spin

I'd managed to get hold of a pair of the Philips bulbs - had them on the bike when we were in France (was that two years ago now?). I know we chatted about them at the time and I think we agreed that there was no noticeable difference.

Must be honest I've joined the HID brigade but do take on board Voyager's comments (although I've never been flashed by an irrate car driver). That said more than a few of the guys on the Chernobyl trip were glad of my "extra" light last year - seems there are parts of Eastern Europe that just don't do night time illumination of any sort!

Just my two-penneth

Manic

The Spin Doctor · 07-02-08, 09:12

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Originally Posted by Manic

Evening Spin

I'd managed to get hold of a pair of the Philips bulbs - had them on the bike when we were in France (was that two years ago now?). I know we chatted about them at the time and I think we agreed that there was no noticeable difference.

Must be honest I've joined the HID brigade but do take on board Voyager's comments (although I've never been flashed by an irrate car driver). That said more than a few of the guys on the Chernobyl trip were glad of my "extra" light last year - seems there are parts of Eastern Europe that just don't do night time illumination of any sort!

Just my two-penneth

Manic

Yes, I'd completely forgotten you had them fitted! They really must have attracted my attention lol

I don't really do enough night riding these days to warrent the HID conversion, but if I did, it would be something to think about - my night vision certainly isn't what it used to be.

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TRXnMe At Work Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newport, Gwent Posts: 1,806 Cash: £2413400 Thanks: 9 Thanked: 8/8	Two things occur to me reading the original link. First one is that maybe the orange lights might help, after all they are something 'different', things that are different get the attention of the human eye. So, they might work to get you seen in daylight. The second, is how on earth do they think changing the bulb will add range to the beams? Surely this is purely the role of the reflector? I must say, the bike chosen for the shots is quite stunning though... It also has some rather good lights as standard, I came down the M50 last night on mine, as there were virtually no other vehicles on the road, so I got to use main beam for most of the run. It's the first time I've been able to do that on a really fast road and I doubt I'd gain much at all from HID lights, I've done a similar trip in an Audi with HID fitted, the big Fazer gave me a very similar level of light.
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PokenH00D A Bit Bored Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 92 Cash: £1719450 Thanks: 0 Thanked: 0/0	I put one in my Meanstreak last year. Bike already has a good light (7" round) and I can't say that it puts more light onto the road at night. However, comments I have had are all along the lines of "what type of bulb you got? It looks orange at the bottom" This would indicate that said people have taken an extra moment to look and if this extra seconds look prevents someone from pulling out on me then it was worth the £11-ish quid I paid. Also for reference, the orange flips to the top on full beam, which really stands out if you flash the lights.
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06-02-08, 22:16	#23
Manic A Bit Bored Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 54 Cash: £3046450 Thanks: 0 Thanked: 0/0	Evening Spin I'd managed to get hold of a pair of the Philips bulbs - had them on the bike when we were in France (was that two years ago now?). I know we chatted about them at the time and I think we agreed that there was no noticeable difference. Must be honest I've joined the HID brigade but do take on board Voyager's comments (although I've never been flashed by an irrate car driver). That said more than a few of the guys on the Chernobyl trip were glad of my "extra" light last year - seems there are parts of Eastern Europe that just don't do night time illumination of any sort! Just my two-penneth Manic

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