"OK - no hi-viz, how about Honda's new FACE?" thread in "Staying Alive"
A lot of bikes have two 'eyes' at the front so I don't see that as a major design breakthrough. I would not currently recognise ...

A lot of bikes have two 'eyes' at the front so I don't see that as a major design breakthrough.

I would not currently recognise the pattern of lights at the front as an approaching motorcycle. I would pause and wait until I'd had a chance to assess it, which would enable the rider to have been seen but how many road users would make a snap judgement, misconstrue the nature of the vehicle and possibly carry out a manoeuvre that put the rider in danger? Given time for something like this to be adopted and become commonplace I'm sure that this would be ironed out.

I watched the video without sound so I don't know if there is a voiceover talking through the nuances but the system talking to other vehicles and reporting the information got me thinking about risk compensation related issues. If your vehicle's system doesn't report a turning vehicle at the junction ahead do you assume that there isn't one and continue or do you slow down anyway?

It's nice if we treat it as just another source of information but if the system becomes more commonplace will we find a rider or driver start to become complacent, putting them at danger of being wiped out by a 1995 Ford Mondeo that didn't communicate to the system that it was turning across their path?

The Voyager was specifically designed to be non-threatening.



Might have worked.

(That is what it looks like polished? Ought to do it again sometime....)

There is something wrong in this image - the Voyager has got in front of some other bikes...

Think if you look closely you may find that the Voyager is so wide its stopping the others getting past!

Oi, wide boy! Just because your bright red mobile chicane blocks an entire carriageway (and catches on passing vehicles.)

It is an intentional optical illusion - as it is considerably less wide than the CN250 and Silver Wing following it.

But if drivers look and think a 'big thing' is bearing down on them that is fine by me.

It is not wider than the riders shoulders. And you'll find that your bike is (probably) quite a bit wider than that. (FWIW - VFR400's are nearly as narrow as the Voyager.)

Got to say it looks massive! I actually moved away from my desk when I saw that coming through on the thread! lol

Have another look. Most bikes handlebars are a lot wider than the riders shoulders. Add appallingly badly designed sticky-out panniers and a bike can carry less and be very much wider.

I dont want you to be but you are right!

You wont ever hear me knock anybodys choice of bike!

If its good for you then its a great bike... I ride sportsbikes, a Guzzi, cruisers, even peds occasionally when training...they all have their place and fans and long may it continue to be that way!

I know.

It was only the one vehicle that I 'rubbed' with my pannier

My shoulders are very narrow

They're waiting for it to stop so they can get their large vanillas with 99s.

Psst.. You have noticed the Voyager, Helix and Silver Wing are all in shadow and clearly visible without lights while the cruiser do-dad in the background is making a attempt at camouflage by headlight?

No, because . . .

I'm not talking about creating uncertainty, I'm talking about people encountering uncertainty.

Different, very.

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So where does this uncertainty that's 'encountered' but not 'created' come from, exactly?

And if you want to play wordgames yet again (what is it with you, recently?), uncertainty is a state of mind, you can hardly 'encounter' it in the way you might encounter a speedbump when driving anyway.

Some definitions of uncertainty

• the condition of being uncertain or without conviction
• being unsettled or in doubt or dependent on chance; "the uncertainty of the outcome"; "the precariousness of his income"
• doubt: the state of being unsure of something
• lack of knowledge of future events

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I will actually concede that this is true - the light on the cruiser detracts from its visibility in these conditions. And a hi-viz yellow jacket against the light green grass would not have improved it

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