Photo request - the one showing the bike obscured by the car behind it

**Fruity** · 11-08-08 15:30

Could somebody do me the favour of posting the picture of the bike obscured by the car behind it, where both vehicles have their headlights on, please?

IIRC, it's a naked bike with a Land Rover behind it, in an urban setting. I think I remember somebody posting it in VD's "Survival Skills" and perhaps here a number of times, but I can't find it.

Thank you.

**Voyager** · 11-08-08 15:37

This one?

**Fruity** · 11-08-08 15:38

I love you, thank you.

**Voyager** · 11-08-08 15:39

Originally Posted by Fruity

I love you, thank you.

No probs, hope it being used to show people that 'using headlights' in daylight is not always a good idea.

**Fruity** · 11-08-08 15:43

Originally Posted by Voyager

No probs, hope it being used to show people that 'using headlights' in daylight is not always a good idea.

I'm trying to!

**Fruity** · 11-08-08 16:06

Originally Posted by Fruity

I'm trying to!

An "advanced rider and driver" is taking me to task though

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**Londongal76** · 11-08-08 16:11

oooh i smell a forum invasion.

**Foxy** · 11-08-08 16:11

Originally Posted by Fruity

An "advanced rider and driver" is taking me to task though

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Focus550? Got a bloody funny idea of advanced techniques. And just being an advanced driver doesn't stop you being a mong.

**Fruity** · 11-08-08 16:19

Originally Posted by Foxy

Focus550? Got a bloody funny idea of advanced techniques. And just being an advanced driver doesn't stop you being a mong.

I think he's playing Forum Top Trumps with a blind hand

**The Spin Doctor** · 12-08-08 11:03

Originally Posted by Foxy

Focus550? Got a bloody funny idea of advanced techniques. And just being an advanced driver doesn't stop you being a mong.

I just skimmed a page of the debate... that was enough.

**Diablo rosso** · 12-08-08 11:50

So, what you're saying is that if you're approaching a junction and have a car behind you with its headlights on, you should switch yours off? How would that help, as the car waiting to pull out would still see two lights and wait, especially if the car behind you was a big 4x4...

Advanced training tells you to move slightly side to side so you're breaking the waiting driver's line of vision. Obviously, if you have your lights on, it's even more obvious.

**Voyager** · 12-08-08 11:56

Originally Posted by Diablo rosso

So, what you're saying is that if you're approaching a junction and have a car behind you with its headlights on, you should switch yours off?

You shouldn't have it on in daylight in the first place.

**Diablo rosso** · 12-08-08 12:09

Originally Posted by Voyager

You shouldn't have it on in daylight in the first place.

Like with most modern bikes, you cannot switch them off. And, again, the advanced recommendation is to have them on even if you could.

So, you can have your

back.

**The Spin Doctor** · 12-08-08 12:18

Originally Posted by Diablo rosso

And, again, the advanced recommendation is to have them on even if you could.

Sweeping statement...

Certainly not my recommendation.

**Horse** · 12-08-08 12:19

Originally Posted by Diablo rosso

So, what you're saying is that if you're approaching a junction and have a car behind you with its headlights on, you should switch yours off?

Actually, you need to be even more aware then usual that the driver ahead may miss seeing you, and react accordingly.

Originally Posted by Diablo rosso

Advanced training tells you to move slightly side to side so you're breaking the waiting driver's line of vision. Obviously, if you have your lights on, it's even more obvious.

My advanced training doesn't, I recommend the 'Z Line' when appropriate, varied to suit the circumstances.

If bikes with lights on are so 'obvious', how come SMIDSY crashes still happen at the same rate as when no bikes had them (like back when 'advanced' riding was invented

).

Originally Posted by Diablo rosso

Like with most modern bikes, you cannot switch them off. And, again, the advanced recommendation is to have them on even if you could.

So, you can have your

back.

My 'advanced' recommendation isn't.

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