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"Airwaves Ducati wont be racing this weekend at Donington park" thread in "Motorbike Racing"
Originally Posted by egypt220 ducati did it to fred merkel when he was world champion on the rvf and honda did,i think it was more ...


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Old 21-05-08, 08:24   #31 (permalink)
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ducati did it to fred merkel when he was world champion on the rvf and honda did,i think it was more than that as well.

fred only won 2 races after that at the end of the season.

it's just ducati trying to make a point of how unfair it is,funny how quickly they forget.

yes and no, rules are rules and if ducati build the better bike to fit within those rules then so be it.

In supestocks this year i was worried about the 1098R being allowed entry due to it's practically being a full on superbike compared to every other bike being a well prepped track day bike. the reason i was after their exclusion for that class was purely down to the bike being £25k and every other bike being 1/3 of that price. they have the 1098S which is the entry level "road" ducati big twin the R was just an homologation special imo.

now for superbikes everyone has the same rules and can level the playing field a little bit. with new rules for this year i guessed it woul dtake some time for every thing to settle down and for people to start getting the most out of the bikes. adding a weight penalty to try to help other teams make their engines survive and thus provide a closer more compeitive championship is not unfair, nor is it ducati stamping their feet that they have been given 4 days notice. the ruling is fair imo but the timescale is ridiculous. it is impossible to properly test and alter the bike to cope with an extra 10kg.

depending where it is placed it could alter all current suspension base settings, how the bike flicks from left to right, how much corner speed can be carried, how hard the front or rear can be pushed and this could make the bike unpredictable for the rider and therefore a team who knowingly puts a bike on the grid with hardely any idea of what will happen to it with it's added weight is potentially outting the other riders at risk.

it's not feet stamping imo, rustling up a bit of drama yes but in this instance i don't think it's ducati trying to get their own way.
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No-one cheats in racing. No one really is in racing for the money. No-one lies (to the press, to the scrutineers, to the public, to sponsors) in order to gain an advantage.

Believe that instead if you prefer.
You're avoiding X81's question. Why don't you answer it?
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No-one cheats in racing. No one really is in racing for the money. No-one lies (to the press, to the scrutineers, to the public, to sponsors) in order to gain an advantage.

Believe that instead if you prefer.

so do you have much experience of racing at bsb level then?
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they new the rules could be altered so they would have to carry extra weight, just like WSB. To deny that is horse shit.
But if you had read (properly) about WSB rules, any added weight in WSB can only be added in 3kg amounts per race meeting - not flippin 10kg all at once like they have been requested to, 2 days before a round!
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Yep. "But Ducati hasn’t even tested the 1098R with an added 10kg either." What's the problem? Health and fucking safety?
Hang on - does that mean a slightly larger rider (Weeksy?) is dangerous on a Ducati? Will you now have to be weighed before being allowed to purchase one? "I'm sorry sir - you're over 10 stone so we can't sell you this on Health and Safety reasons"


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so do you have much experience of racing at bsb level then?
Only people who race at BSB level can have an opinion? Fuck off.
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Hang on - does that mean a slightly larger rider (Weeksy?) is dangerous on a Ducati? Will you now have to be weighed before being allowed to purchase one? "I'm sorry sir - you're over 10 stone so we can't sell you this on Health and Safety reasons"
That's a good idea. Make the fat Sunday poseurs diet if they want a Ducati.
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Hang on - does that mean a slightly larger rider (Weeksy?) is dangerous on a Ducati?
Usually (or has Weeksy lost weight this month? )

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Will you now have to be weighed before being allowed to purchase one? "I'm sorry sir - you're over 10 stone so we can't sell you this on Health and Safety reasons"
The bikes are set up to the n'th degree for the rider on the bike, to add an amount such as 10kg will mean a LOT of changes to the braking, susp etc will be needed
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Usually (or has Weeksy lost weight this month? )
my weight has little to do with the danger i cause when out on the roads.

It's the Superduke that ensures i terrify people on every rideout.

Crust/Ian are scared to ride behind me now

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Seems weird to introduce this now and just where do you slap on 1.5 stone on a race bike without it having an effect on handling! I think Ducati have got away with advantages for years but to introduce such a penalty now is pretty outrageous. I think i'd feel the same as Mr Healey.

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Hang on - does that mean a slightly larger rider (Weeksy?) is dangerous on a Ducati? Will you now have to be weighed before being allowed to purchase one? "I'm sorry sir - you're over 10 stone so we can't sell you this on Health and Safety reasons"
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my weight has little to do with the danger i cause when out on the roads.

It's the Superduke that ensures i terrify people on every rideout.

Crust/Ian are scared to ride behind me now
Is that cos they worry about bumping into you at junctions/on bends when you apply brakes early?


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So where exactly would they put the 10kg then?


Should be time before the weekend

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Is that cos they worry about bumping into you at junctions/on bends when you apply brakes early?


Not as early now... it's the cars swerving to miss me that's the major problem now

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Only people who race at BSB level can have an opinion? Fuck off.

you made a generalised statement that said

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Professional motorcycle racing. Don't make me laugh. Everyone involved is a bunch of cheating, two-faced, money chasing, bare-aresed liars.
note the word everyone in bold. so for you to make this statement that doesnt rule anyone out must mean that you have a vast wealth of expereince at the highest level of racing within the UK and i have asked you to back it up.

the fact that you first reply with a sarcastic snide remark back and then follow it up by telling me to fuck off quite clearly shows that you know jack shit and as such your opinion is worthless.

now i'm sure that when the MCRCB allow motorised wheeliebins to have a class in racing at national level you'll be able to come back here and tell us all how you was robbed by a cheating bastard who had sticky tyres fitted or something equally as intersting.
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The bikes are set up to the n'th degree for the rider on the bike, to add an amount such as 10kg will mean a LOT of changes to the braking, susp etc will be needed
Shush I know - but it wasn't as funny


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