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If the rules were set for the season, then am baffled as to changing them now. If we had to add 10 kilo to either ...


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Old 21-05-08, 07:31   #16 (permalink)
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If the rules were set for the season, then am baffled as to changing them now.

If we had to add 10 kilo to either of our racebikes (our class minimum is 125, ours come in at about 155) that is a fair proportion of % of weight & would need a bit of tracktime for the lads to get used to it.
Both found a huge difference when we managed to drop off 15kilo after the first race, by removing a fair bit of un-necessary bits & using light(er)weight wheels etc.

Where to add the weight would be very significant, as this would change geometry..............
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So adding 10kg to the Ducatis will suddenly make the other manufacturers bikes safer? Amazing. How does that work then?
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So where exactly would they put the 10kg then? Does seem a bit like sour grapes from the other teams, why on earth did they allow the 1098s in the first place if they were that concerned?
'cos Ducati stamped it's feet and threatened to withdraw from the championship if it wasn't allowed an unfair advantage more cc's.

tbh I hope they get kicked out (not that they will) They chose to run a twin, if they can't make it competitive with the same cc's that's their tough luck. Lets not forget they knew about this from the start of the season, so if they haven't tested 'what if' then that's their second tough shit.


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WEll you tell us....

Where / How would you put 10Kg exactly ?
Send me plans for the bike and I'll come up with something.
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So adding 10kg to the Ducatis will suddenly make the other manufacturers bikes safer? Amazing. How does that work then?

Exactly!
Maybe they (MSVR) should have looked at other reasons?
As just posted by a mate elsewhere:
Especially as its nothing to do with Ducati running away with it and more to do with the likes of Haslam, Crutchlow and Harris running off track.
Suzuki seem handicapped by there Japanese rider so effectively only have Tom Sykes running at the front when he's not being taken out by a HM plant Honda as for his blow up that may not have happened if the Pace Car hadn't come out on track and slowed everybody down for a few laps.

How come its 10kgs in one hit when WSB have decide on 3kgs reviewed after every three races, where the result after the first 3 was not to impose the penalty and thats with the WSB Ducatis running slipper pistons that allow them to rev higher and make more power.

Maybe if Rio and Johnny Rae had stayed in Britain it would be a different story as Shakey is certainly a world class act and others need to raise their game.
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'cos Ducati stamped it's feet and threatened to withdraw from the championship if it wasn't allowed an unfair advantage more cc's.

tbh I hope they get kicked out (not that they will) They chose to run a twin, if they can't make it competitive with the same cc's that's their tough luck. Lets not forget they knew about this from the start of the season, so if they haven't tested 'what if' then that's their second tough shit.


boohoohoo... poor old Ducati....

They knew about what from the start ?

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They knew about what from the start ?
I dont know the 'truth' of the matter, but the stuff I was reading yesterday(?) clearly suggested that all the teams knew the rules were experimental this season and could be changed if one type or another had a clear advantage. That was my understanding of it anyway.

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clearly suggested that all the teams knew the rules were experimental this season and could be changed if one type or another had a clear advantage. That was my understanding of it anyway.
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they new the rules could be altered so they would have to carry extra weight, just like WSB. To deny that is horse shit.


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Shocking news really.

I didn't assume that the 10kg counted for this week.

MAdness to ask someone to just slap 10kg extra on it in 4 days.

ducati did it to fred merkel when he was world champion on the rvf and honda did,i think it was more than that as well.

fred only won 2 races after that at the end of the season.

it's just ducati trying to make a point of how unfair it is,funny how quickly they forget.
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they new the rules could be altered so they would have to carry extra weight, just like WSB. To deny that is horse shit.
He specifies he felt they were FIXED REGULATIONS.... doesn't he ?

Are we saying he's lying ?

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I get fed up of all this politics in sport - detracts from the sport itself.

Was going to go to Donnington on Monday but I wont bother if a front running team isnt there - it's such a large penalty and frankly it's because the others cant get their act together. It just spoils the championship.

If it's a big problem then they should make it a 4 cyl championship fullstop.

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He specifies he felt they were FIXED REGULATIONS.... doesn't he ?

Are we saying he's lying ?
To coin a phrase, 'economical with the truth' perhaps? His statement is obviously going to try and put his team in the best light.

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His statement is obviously going to try and put his team in the best light.
Agreed.

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Professional motorcycle racing. Don't make me laugh. Everyone involved is a bunch of cheating, two-faced, money chasing, bare-aresed liars.

on what basis do you make this statement?

it's a fairly sweeping and offensive statement to be honest. kindly back it up with some real world proof
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on what basis do you make this statement?

it's a fairly sweeping and offensive statement to be honest. kindly back it up with some real world proof
No-one cheats in racing. No one really is in racing for the money. No-one lies (to the press, to the scrutineers, to the public, to sponsors) in order to gain an advantage.

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