"125 & 250 Gp" thread in "Motorbike Chat"
Originally Posted by demographic Hondas never built a single TZ250 LOL, picky picky But TBH the demise of the GP smokers is inevitable, always has ...

Tomcat · 01-06-08, 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by demographic

Hondas never built a single TZ250

LOL, picky picky

But TBH the demise of the GP smokers is inevitable, always has been really. The 2T engine took advantage of a loophole in the GP regs that had always been capacity based. It stood to reason that an engine that fired twice as often (even if it did make less power per stroke) would find favour. However racing can't totally escape the real world and the real world didn't want engines that burned smoky and threw half their fuel down the exhaust. With road engine development turning away from the smokers the 2T GP machines were on an evolutionary blind alley. Who wants to throw millions in developing 2T engines when little or none of the technology reads across to the real business of building 4T engines to sell to the world?

There's people who still mourn the 500-2T GP era, probably because it was what they grew up with and seems like the 'right' way to them. However few would look at current MotoGP bikes and say they were anything but spectacular, bringing racing as exciting as any we've ever seen.

I've ridden 250 and 350 TZ's and they rate in my mind as the most raceable bikes I've ever slung a leg over, but I understand and agree with them being consigned to an honourable place in history.

My biggest concern about GP2 and GP3 classes replacing 250 and 125 is whether these will put the bikes out of reach of anybody without factory backing. With the current classes you still get 'factory specials' but privateer bikes are made and sold, giving private owners (from GP right through to clubman) the opportunity to hone their skills on the same type of machine that champions learn on.

demographic · 01-06-08, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Tomcat

LOL, picky picky

But TBH the demise of the GP smokers is inevitable, always has been really. The 2T engine took advantage of a loophole in the GP regs that had always been capacity based. It stood to reason that an engine that fired twice as often (even if it did make less power per stroke) would find favour. However racing can't totally escape the real world and the real world didn't want engines that burned smoky and threw half their fuel down the exhaust. With road engine development turning away from the smokers the 2T GP machines were on an evolutionary blind alley. Who wants to throw millions in developing 2T engines when little or none of the technology reads across to the real business of building 4T engines to sell to the world?

There's people who still mourn the 500-2T GP era, probably because it was what they grew up with and seems like the 'right' way to them. However few would look at current MotoGP bikes and say they were anything but spectacular, bringing racing as exciting as any we've ever seen.

I've ridden 250 and 350 TZ's and they rate in my mind as the most raceable bikes I've ever slung a leg over, but I understand and agree with them being consigned to an honourable place in history.

My biggest concern about GP2 and GP3 classes replacing 250 and 125 is whether these will put the bikes out of reach of anybody without factory backing. With the current classes you still get 'factory specials' but privateer bikes are made and sold, giving private owners (from GP right through to clubman) the opportunity to hone their skills on the same type of machine that champions learn on.

I know what your saying and agree with most of it but to some extent its the fact that Honda are yet again acting as the driving force to another rule change that gets me.

Give it a while and they will want to get rid of the big Moto GP bikes and just race these, they seem to thrive on rule changes as they have the budget to spend.

Mebbe I just don't like Hondas

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"125 & 250 Gp" thread in "Motorbike Chat" Originally Posted by demographic Hondas never built a single TZ250 LOL, picky picky But TBH the demise of the GP smokers is inevitable, always has ...

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"125 & 250 Gp" thread in "Motorbike Chat"
Originally Posted by demographic Hondas never built a single TZ250 LOL, picky picky But TBH the demise of the GP smokers is inevitable, always has ...