"Deauville or Pan for 140 mile commute?" thread in "Motorbike Chat"
Originally Posted by eccles291 I haven't seen a BMW that fits my budget that doesn't make me want to vomit. The old ones are just ...

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Economical, and loads of torque easy to ride - important on long distances if you're tired and in poor weather.

Lower bars too - depends if you want that, or higher 'touring' bars.

+1, I recommend the EXO2. Not cheap, but buy a cheaper (than a Pan?) K-RT and spend some of the difference on clothing.


If you do go for a K-RT, there's 1000 or 750 options, either would suit you. Avoid the 1100 unless you need extra leg room.

Start looking at the £2k bracket, should get you a decent one (although I've not looked for several months).

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Another reason for a Beemer:

Local to you is Andy Sexton, at Hook Norton. Knows BMWs inside out.

By no means 'cheap' (but cheaper than BMW car servicing)

And on the subject of costs, look at service intervals & costs, fuel economy, tyres etc. The mileage you'll be doing they'll all make a difference.

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this is true - assuming you're riding all year round - 140miles a day is getting on for 28-30,000 miles a year - JUST commuting.

Services on most bikes (if you stick to the schedule) are every 4K.
BMWs (and some others - I think Ducati are 6K now) are every 6.

IIRC your mileage is roughly (it was for me) where the slightly extra cost of servicing BMWs breaks even with the highre frequency of servicing bikes with a 4K interval.

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non quod, sed quomodo

I reckon the Honda will do a yearly service easy at that mileage - oil chain, replace tyres & pads occasionally & go.

without intervening services you mean? Quite possibly, the Deau/NTV is a tough old workhorse.

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non quod, sed quomodo

Yep. Pretty much the same as my Bros motor - unburstable.

replace with "low tuned & under-stressed".

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non quod, sed quomodo

Or well-engineered?

or all 3.

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non quod, sed quomodo

+ Yamaha Fazer's The older Fox eye ones are detuned thundercat engine's they work really well, great mid range. The newone lost the mid range. Doing a combo of london & major a roads I easily get 55mpg

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*this in the opinion of Aceboy, it is not designed to incite a riot or any other of the normal slagging that takes place on the interweb

"On the lanes no one can hear you scream"

Have a wee look at this video: Motorbike Ride to Alston

That's me on my NT700, riding up Teesdale, following Slippy on his GSXR-1000K7, and followed by twpd on his Ducati 800SS. Handling like a jelly? Nah! Underpowered? Only if you slow down (or try to overtake a tractor in TOO high a gear )

Lovely bike to own. The weather protection was the best I've ever experienced - I stayed properly dry in my Aerostich on the Dullville, when I'd get wet on the Scarver, the K1200RS, the Caponord and the Pegaso Strada. Not ridden a Pan, so can't compare, but really, with the Deauville screen in the higher position, it's absolutely wonderful for weather protection. Heat from the engine seems to be routed up through the dash to hit the rider, too - I never got cold on the Deauville, even on icy, snowy days. Heated grips are obviously a good addition. I also fitted the optional fairing lower section, which kept a bit of wind / crap off my feet, but tbh didn't make a huge difference.

The built in panniers are really useful, but a bit of a pain in the arse to take off to do any sort of maintenance to the back end. Save yourself 3 hours worth of servicing costs though, by stripping the fairings and panniers off before taking it into the shop... Worth checking the pannier fastener bolts carefully too - they take all the crap off the rear wheel, and corrode easily. Keep 'em clean and greased.

Fuel economy is pretty good, 55-60mpg on hard riding. Tank range 180-200ish on normal riding. Take it a bit steadier, and you'll see these improve, obviously.

Servicing costs are pretty low (with my above caveat on stripping bodywork off first), and it's easy to work on yourself. Although the intervals are 4k, this is only oil / filter at 4k / 12k, and the 8k service only really adds brake checks, and air filter in addition to new oil. Do all those ones yourself easily, and get the bigger service done every 16k. The motor is totally un-burstable. As reliable as they get. Tyre wear is pretty low - I easily got 8k+ from a Pilot Road 2 rear, more from the front. Top tyres, by the way...

Best bit about the bike? Comfort. Major, big time, all week long comfort. You could ride this all night and all day every day for a month, and you'd still be comfy. It's that good.

Worst bit about the bike? Either the weight (it IS heavy), or the fiddly access for maintenance.

Try one. It does nearly everything a Pan does, at half the cost. Surprisingly rewarding to ride, and the best all round motorcycle I've owned. I'd buy another tomorrow.

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Token bauble:

Bah humbug.

Oh, I should have added - I used mine for my 110-mile-a-day commute

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Token bauble:

Bah humbug.

we are not talking about a new 700 deauville are we we are talking about an old 650 for £2000,no one said anything about a new bike did they ?

im talking about the old pile of shite 650 as per what the thread started with unless he has found an extra £3000 to buy a new one the fare enought but we are not we are talking £2000 old deauville.

olly unless you want to sell him your deauville for £2000 he is not going to get one that handles as well as yours

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Whats wrong with a big scoot ?
Running costs are less than many bikes and they handle motorway ok

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TBH for £2K anything he buys and does that sort of journey on is going to be a shitter within a year, may as well get something a bit newer and at least do it reliably. Otherwise he may as well stick to his GSXR600.

FWIW looking in biketrader with a bit of haggling around £2K with cash in hand it should be possible to pick up a tidy 02 or 03 model with under 20 on the clock. The cheapest 700 comes in about 4 1/2 but from a dealer, knock off a monkey for private sale, job's a goodun and that's with no more than a minute looking round.

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