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"Would a Ducati be a Ducati without the name?" thread in "Motorbike Chat"
A rose by any other name... Must fight urge to Ducati....


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Old 07-07-08, 15:20   #16 (permalink)
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A rose by any other name...


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Old 07-07-08, 16:32   #17 (permalink)
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Prompted by Weeksy's comment that "Ducati's are emotional bikes to own (sic)".

If Ducati made a bike, but it wasn't called a Ducati and no-body knew it was made by them, would it still be an 'emotional' bike to own? My guess is 'no'.

Are Ducatis Ducatis because they have some intrinsic Ducatiness, or is it merely 'cause of the badge on the tank?
The same could be said of Harleys.

Stick that badge on any heavy old bus, and the same wannabees will buy it

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Old 07-07-08, 16:57   #18 (permalink)
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personally I find branding of all kinds a bit ..naff, however what they have built there is one of the best brands on the planet, which is no mean feat.
With you on that, trouble is, you can't avoid all the good stuff just cos its got a strong brand.
I don't like advertising for free so don't have Dainese in big letters over my Dainese kit, but I do have Dainese kit.....

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Old 07-07-08, 18:08   #19 (permalink)
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to be fair mate, you rode my old TL. For 10 minutes. It had shot suspension, a bored out engine that ran dreadfully and the less said about the brakes, the better.

Chalk and cheese to my new (which is infact older) TL. I prefer the Suzuki lump to that from the Tuono and my Falco (essentially very similar) but prefer even those to the SD, although I only rode that for a little while and i am sure it would grow on me
i much prefered the Tuono to the SD, but i was sort of just saying that some Twins are 'evocative' and some are not. THe TL fits into the latter for me.

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Are Ducatis Ducatis because they have some intrinsic Ducatiness, or is it merely 'cause of the badge on the tank?
The badge or name on the tank has nothing to do with it, except perhaps to the non-bikers. It's to do with the intrinsic Ducatiness, aka soul.

There's just something special about the bike, the way it talks to you, well, growls, to be more precise. No other bike has ever made me grin as much as this one, from the moment I walk into the garage to the moment I tuck her in for the night.
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The badge or name on the tank has nothing to do with it, except perhaps to the non-bikers. It's to do with the intrinsic Ducatiness, aka soul.
Soul? Nuts and bolts do not have a 'soul'.
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There's just something special about the bike, the way it talks to you, well, growls, to be more precise. No other bike has ever made me grin as much as this one, from the moment I walk into the garage to the moment I tuck her in for the night.
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Old 07-07-08, 18:36   #22 (permalink)
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there are better bikes no doubt but there is just something about Ducatis...

and.. KTMS..

we currently have 5 ducatis and 3 ktm (just sold another one) though so may be a tad biased
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The badge or name on the tank has nothing to do with it, except perhaps to the non-bikers. It's to do with the intrinsic Ducatiness, aka soul.

There's just something special about the bike, the way it talks to you, well, growls, to be more precise. No other bike has ever made me grin as much as this one, from the moment I walk into the garage to the moment I tuck her in for the night.
Well you say that, but Soul can be, and is, reduced to a series of numbers. Car companies have ways of quantifying what makes a Volvo a Volvo or an Aston Martin an Aston Martin.

That's half the reason I ask...like I said, I like my BMW 'cause it's a BMW but at the same time the engineer in me says it can't be possible for a car to have soul and it must merely be a combination of characteristics.
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Considering Cagiva owned them when they produced the 851 I don't think it would make much difference if they were called Cagivas.
Plus they would have a funky elephant logo as well


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Soul? Nuts and bolts do not have a 'soul'.

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I don't know about Ducati's having 'soul'. I think twins have 'soul', but Ducati's sound the worst out of all the twins i've ever heard. Rattling like a bag of not-very-well put together spanners. There are much nicer sounding machines out there.

I think Ducati owners pay a premium for what could be perceived as a luxury item. I believe this consideration of luxury is adorned because of what is a pretty exclusive price tag. Many people simply can not afford to own a motorcycle like a Ducati, and as such any irregularities developed by the machine will invariably be scoffed at by their owner and put down to 'character' and blood. Or some other nonsense which involves a motorcycle being anything other than an inanimate object.

I like the way a motorcycle makes me feel. I am also guilty of developing affection for one particular model over another, for example, but I will never find the need to don a red Italian shell suit any time soon.

Having said that, I would love to own an S4R tricolore and it's a toss up between that and a MG Griso as the next bike;

very nice.. remember they don't depriciate quite like jap lead baloons neither.

ps. that's the s4rs. -I think?

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All bikes have errr soul wtf its a bit of tin and rubber get over it


ten years back ducati could well have been made by the chinese for all the problems they had


now i admit they are better but there prices are not so its a sort of a middle class owners bike SNOBBERY at its best eh

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All bikes have errr soul wtf its a bit of tin and rubber get over it


ten years back ducati could well have been made by the chinese for all the problems they had


now i admit they are better but there prices are not so its a sort of a middle class owners bike SNOBBERY at its best eh
please don't ever purchase one.

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Considering Cagiva owned them when they produced the 851 I don't think it would make much difference if they were called Cagivas.
Plus they would have a funky elephant logo as well
I have that logo on the back of my Ducati race suit. The early 916s came with it on the filler cap.
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I dont get the whole Ducati hype and blind following, even non bikers think Ducati "is it" like the ferrari of the bike world or something... really dont get it.

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