"Stock pipes... ban this filth." thread in "Motorbike Chat"
Originally Posted by trogggy Simple, since you ask. I'm irritated by your graceless inability or unwillingness to acknowledge any mistake. I post about eu rules, ...

Gedge · 17-06-08, 17:06

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Originally Posted by trogggy

Simple, since you ask.
I'm irritated by your graceless inability or unwillingness to acknowledge any mistake. I post about eu rules, you come up with some bollocks about the ec discussing getting rid of aftermarket parts (which turns out to be the exact opposite of the facts); you still use the same 'example' to justify your argument even when it's been shown to be crap.
Mac posts about the relative lack of road-legal exhausts for a particular bike, and gives his experience (of buying a road-legal Akrapovic). You respond with the fucking blindingly brilliant point that you can buy them. With a link to prove it FFS.
You're not the only person who has this characteristic btw.
'Pedant' is a term you're fond of when shown to be wrong, is it?
Easier than an acknowledgement I suppose.
Yes, you're right. As always.

[EDIT]If you haven't worked it out I'm not really bovvered about Mac's post because I don't know for sure what he did mean. So everything since your Catherine Tate moment has been gratuitous poking. HTH.
There, I do feel better for acknowledging that. [/EDIT]

TBH of late I consider that almost everything you post is gratuitous prodding and not just aimed at me... your abiliity to argue endlessly about the meaning of fairly simple posts is frankly irritating..

As for the EU thingy.... I posted up 2 quick links that relate to the issue I made...Go back and you will see that I wasn't claiming the scenario as anything other than a futuristic possibility.. the EU bit was to show that there was a spectre of EU control over parts manufacture whatever the ultimate content of those links( and only posted in response to your claim that the EU would never agree any such thing...which as you can see from the exisiting bit of law mentioned it already exists to some degree).... as it was a purely imaginary scenario I feel no further need to justify my original comments..
Had you tried to understand the gist of my original comments then none of this would be necessary...but as usual you need to play schoolteacher and correct everyones every word....

trogggy · 17-06-08, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Gedge

TBH of late I consider that almost everything you post is gratuitous prodding and not just aimed at me... your abiliity to argue endlessly about the meaning of fairly simple posts is frankly irritating..

Easy to say. Click on my posts and you'll find a proportion of those but not a high one. Do feel free to do an analysis, post spreadsheets etc if you disagree though. You're performing your usual trick of 'It's nothing to do with me, it's you who's got the problem'. Yesterday it was someone who always criticises the police, today it's me being needlessly argumentative; I hope no-one is stupid enough to post something about horse-boxes tomorrow.

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As for the EU thingy.... I posted up 2 quick links that relate to the issue I made...Go back and you will see that I wasn't claiming the scenario as anything other than a futuristic possibility.. the EU bit was to show that there was a spectre of EU control over parts manufacture whatever the ultimate content of those links( and only posted in response to your claim that the EU would never agree any such thing...which as you can see from the exisiting bit of law mentioned it already exists to some degree).... as it was a purely imaginary scenario I feel no further need to justify my original comments..
Had you tried to understand the gist of my original comments then none of this would be necessary

Whatever.
Or rather since my point was that the eu (possibly) wouldn't allow restrictions, and your links tended to support that, you could have had the good grace to acknowledge that you had misunderstood the links and that I had a valid point.
I can't remember the last time you did that.

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...but as usual you need to play schoolteacher and correct everyones every word....

And we all know you playing the copper trumps that one, eh Chief Inspector?
See what I did there? It wasn't big or clever. I'll call you some names in my next post - you've baggsied 'pedant' so I'll have a think about it.

Gedge · 17-06-08, 17:26

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Originally Posted by trogggy

Easy to say. Click on my posts and you'll find a proportion of those but not a high one. Do feel free to do an analysis, post spreadsheets etc if you disagree though. You're performing your usual trick of 'It's nothing to do with me, it's you who's got the problem'. Yesterday it was someone who always criticises the police, today it's me being needlessly argumentative; I hope no-one is stupid enough to post something about horse-boxes tomorrow.
Whatever.
Or rather since my point was that the eu (possibly) wouldn't allow restrictions, and your links tended to support that, you could have had the good grace to acknowledge that you had misunderstood the links and that I had a valid point.
I can't remember the last time you did that.
And we all know you playing the copper trumps that one, eh Chief Inspector?
See what I did there? It wasn't big or clever. I'll call you some names in my next post - you've baggsied 'pedant' so I'll have a think about it.

You take far too much interest in what I post...perhaps you should try and contribute something other than your current MO of sniping at everyone elses..

I felt no need to apologise as I cannot see how I was wrong, and for the sake of making a point about some possible future scenario I see no need to search further to back up a feeling..If the links I provided dont give you enough of a feel for what I was suggesting or you consider I was wrong in my interpretation of what I had read there and elsewhere then that is your problem...( I highlighted the bit that I felt supported my theory about an EU wide ban being a future possibility..that was all...)

Maybe everyone else is sitting back watching you dig away, or maybe they too cannot see what the fuss was as they understood my original point..Now I am aware that I will have to prove everything I surmise about I will be sure in future to check every single link and every single fact before posting

trogggy · 17-06-08, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Gedge

You take far too much interest in what I post...perhaps you should try and contribute something other than your current MO of sniping at everyone elses..

Be careful, you might come across as being paranoid. Are you saying I respond to a large proportion of your posts? If so, post up the numbers.
Or are you just throwing another insult in my direction because it's easier than acknowledging that you are occasionally wrong?

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I felt no need to apologise as I cannot see how I was wrong, and for the sake of making a point about some possible future scenario I see no need to search further to back up a feeling..If the links I provided dont give you enough of a feel for what I was suggesting or you consider I was wrong in my interpretation of what I had read there and elsewhere then that is your problem...( I highlighted the bit that I felt supported my theory about an EU wide ban being a future possibility..that was all...)

Who asked for an apology? I presume you know the difference between an apology and an acknowledgement.
As for 'the bit that I felt supported my theory about an EU wide ban being a future possibility' your link said the exact opposite, ie that the eu were discussing opening up the market. If you still don't realise that then I can at least understand your lack of acknowledgement. Never too late though.

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Maybe everyone else is sitting back watching you dig away, or maybe they too cannot see what the fuss was as they understood my original point..

I don't understand that point.

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Now I am aware that I will have to prove everything I surmise about I will be sure in future to check every single link and every single fact before posting

If you're unable to acknowledge a misunderstanding or mistake then you certainly should be sure of your facts, if only for the sake of your own mental health and blood pressure. I prefer to get it mostly right and accept that I make a few mistakes. Admitting them doesn't hurt (much).
Your choice though Chief Inspector.

MAC · 17-06-08, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Gedge

Says here that you can buy road legal akros for a ZX7r

http://www.pdq1.com/AKRA_KAW.pdf

Interesting. When I got mine, Akrapovic were not making a road legal full system, only end cans for the standard system. I think the first road legal baffle race cans started appearing on the market after the ZX7R had ceased production.

According to Harris they had also stopped making any systems for the ZX7R as the bike was no longer in production and if you go the Akrapovic web site the ZX7R is not listed.

It still doesn't change the fact that the average busy body who complains about the noise of bikes would still be complaining even if all bikes were 100% road legal as it's the high revs they are really complaining about.

Gedge · 17-06-08, 19:56

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Originally Posted by MAC

It still doesn't change the fact that the average busy body who complains about the noise of bikes would still be complaining even if all bikes were 100% road legal as it's the high revs they are really complaining about.

Probably true ( and probably why Harleys etc get such an easy ride) but anything we can do to fool them into thinking we have all gone away can ( IMO in case Trogggy asks me to prove it) only be a good thing

trogggy · 17-06-08, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Gedge

IMO in case Trogggy asks me to prove it

As long as you don't post a link to prove your opinion is right which actually shows the exact opposite, but refuse to accept the fact, then I've no gripe at all with that.

MAC · 17-06-08, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Gedge

Probably true ( and probably why Harleys etc get such an easy ride) but anything we can do to fool them into thinking we have all gone away can ( IMO in case Trogggy asks me to prove it) only be a good thing

The only way to get around it would be to either stop riding IL4's or stop revving them over about 8,000 rpm.

On the plus side, I'd say people dislike the sound of peds with race cans more than IL4's

I've tended to have race cans on my bikes, however with once exception they have never been that much louder than standard, just "fruitier" sounding if you know what I mean.

The one exception was a cheap ART can on a ZXR400, which was loud but did sound wicked

However it did come in handy with lemming pedestrians as I used to commute through York and on the way back I could cut straight through the centre as it ceased to pedestrianised. A quick blip of the throttle was far more effective than pipping the horn and didn't get people's backs up.

On a related note, the society for the blind has raised concerns over electric hybrid vehicles as being dangerous to the blind as they can't hear them coming. So in some cases loud vehicles do save lives

Taipan · 18-06-08, 10:48

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Originally Posted by demographic

It's not ferkin rocket science, If I can hear it but not see it, its sure as hell not in front of me is it?

Lol!

This is TRC though and the laws of science have been rewritten. Sound is no longer omni directional.

I like to hear abike and often enjoy the not so distant sound of someone wringing their bikes neck on the main A road near by. Of course I'd be pissed off if the rode up and down my street doing so, but thats a seperate issue.

Before my neighbour retired he would start up his old Transit diesel and leave it to warm up and defrost on winter mornings. Early transits are not quiet when idling for 15 minutes at around 6 in the morning.

I never said anything though as I wouldn't want to get into a cold van either, although i was never quite sure i'd have done that. But said person called over the fence to me when I had a K100Rs (standard exhaust) idling to warm the oil before draining it saying it was shaking their house.

Danny_Two · 18-06-08, 11:04

So were all agreed then, loud bikes are great.

demographic · 18-06-08, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Taipan

Before my neighbour retired he would start up his old Transit diesel and leave it to warm up and defrost on winter mornings. Early transits are not quiet when idling for 15 minutes at around 6 in the morning.

I never said anything though as I wouldn't want to get into a cold van either, although i was never quite sure i'd have done that. But said person called over the fence to me when I had a K100Rs (standard exhaust) idling to warm the oil before draining it saying it was shaking their house.

I think a Transit van warming up at 6 am on a frosty morning sounds great, it's only the bloody whining nimbys who whinge about it and bollocks to them I don't care about them cos I'm a Transit driving king of the roads rebel type thing blah blah blah, ad infinitum

Voyager · 18-06-08, 11:23

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Originally Posted by demographic

I think a Transit van warming up at 6 am on a frosty morning sounds great, it's only the bloody whining nimbys who whinge about it and bollocks to them I don't care about them cos I'm a Transit driving king of the roads rebel type thing blah blah blah, ad infinitum

Taipan · 18-06-08, 14:58

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Originally Posted by demographic

I think a Transit van warming up at 6 am on a frosty morning sounds great, it's only the bloody whining nimbys who whinge about it and bollocks to them I don't care about them cos I'm a Transit driving king of the roads rebel type thing blah blah blah, ad infinitum

I thanked you for that!

notmyusualusername · 18-06-08, 18:34

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Originally Posted by MAC

On a related note, the society for the blind has raised concerns over electric hybrid vehicles as being dangerous to the blind as they can't hear them coming. So in some cases loud vehicles do save lives

Believe me, it's not just the blind who electric hybrid vehicles are a danger to.

I drive a Prius and lots of pedestrians just don't "see" you when you're driving at low speed under battery power only

It's so noticeably different that I had a few near misses when I first had the car. You really do have be extra aware of people stepping out in front of you.

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"Stock pipes... ban this filth." thread in "Motorbike Chat"
Originally Posted by trogggy Simple, since you ask. I'm irritated by your graceless inability or unwillingness to acknowledge any mistake. I post about eu rules, ...