Why are we so tolerant in this country.

**Greenman** · 01-12-09 11:04

Originally Posted by Yarbles

My wife works with assylum seekers as part of her duties and says a large proportion are out for wht they can get and yet there are others who are tragically geniune. Clear lines are not allways so easy to draw in practice.

Common sense would then prevail.

If the seeker is obviously a sponger then they would walk a different line to those that are genuine, we have people employed to differenciate between the two dont we, even after they have been housed etc...?

**Yarbles** · 01-12-09 11:06

Originally Posted by Scorchio

+1

There is a difference between what the law says and what people really really feel. Xenophobia is still more than rife although it is done in the best possible way here i.e. nothing is official, token foreigner/immigrant thrown in here and there for good messure

So based on the OP's original post I would say the laws are setup to be tolerant, that's about it.

Where abouts is here?

Genuine question not an attempt to piss on anything.

**saga_lout** · 01-12-09 11:08

Originally Posted by Trunch

Exactly, and when it gets to that stage, it fuels the fires of the likes of the BNP which no right thinking person wants IMO.

Definition:
Right thinking person = somebody who agrees with me.

**Trunch** · 01-12-09 11:14

Originally Posted by saga_lout

Definition:
Right thinking person = somebody who agrees with me.

Wasn't meant like that, bad choice of phrase perhaps, but you're nitpicking I think....

**Yarbles** · 01-12-09 11:14

Originally Posted by Greenman

Common sense would then prevail.

If the seeker is obviously a sponger then they would walk a different line to those that are genuine, we have people employed to differenciate between the two dont we, even after they have been housed etc...?

Yes but our social welfare is expensive to administer so somethimes its cheaper to let people get away with stuff. I blame the expensive lawyers and the legal aid system to some extent here. What are you going to do though with so many lawyers in parliament.

(An old friend of mine has become a barrister specialising in legal aid work. He now says he wants to leave Hackney and live in Hertfordshire becase he keeps running into his undesireable clients (who he helps keep at liberty). What a cunt

I just wanted to punch his face.)

**Scorchio** · 01-12-09 11:17

Originally Posted by Yarbles

Where abouts is here?

Genuine question not an attempt to piss on anything.

Generally anywhere outside the M25...

**moto748** · 01-12-09 11:23

That the British are 'tolerant' is one of these mantras that we parrot to each other. Are the Brits really any more tolerant than the Germans? The Americans? The Aussies? We say it to give ourselves a little pat on the back.

I see no reason to suppose we're much different than anywhere else.

**saga_lout** · 01-12-09 11:32

Originally Posted by Trunch

Wasn't meant like that, bad choice of phrase perhaps, but you're nitpicking I think....

I always use it like that because that is what it means.
For example:

I'm having a hard time identifying the *crime*

Clichés are valuable shorthand until you forget what they actually mean.

**Yarbles** · 01-12-09 12:09

Originally Posted by moto748

That the British are 'tolerant' is one of these mantras that we parrot to each other. Are the Brits really any more tolerant than the Germans? The Americans? The Aussies? We say it to give ourselves a little pat on the back.

I see no reason to suppose we're much different than anywhere else.

I think among the western democracies we may be about average but obvioulsy compared to say Saudi Arabia or north korea

However we had the most open door policy with realtion to the new eastern european meMbers of the EU and seem like one of the more popular destination for assylum seekers.

**Nik S** · 01-12-09 12:17

Originally Posted by Makman

We are too ... PC bound.

I quite agree, I spend far too much time in front of my computer.

**Didge** · 01-12-09 13:36

Originally Posted by Yarbles

My wife works with assylum seekers as part of her duties and says a large proportion are out for wht they can get and yet there are others who are tragically geniune. Clear lines are not allways so easy to draw in practice.

Which of course, begs the question as to why, so-called asylum seekers are entering our country at all.

No matter whether they fly in / boat in / smuggle themselves in, they have instantly contravened international asylum law, by not requesting asylum at their nearest 'safe' country.

I think you, and many like you, mistake 'tolerance' for weak, over-liberal government, who're in office for all the wrong reasons, rather than looking after the best interests of the British people.

**Yarbles** · 01-12-09 13:44

Originally Posted by Didge

I think you, and many like you, mistake 'tolerance' for weak, over-liberal government, who're in office for all the wrong reasons, rather than looking after the best interests of the British people.

I think the british people are very willing to help people who are genuinely in danger of ill treatment in their own country. My wife meets people who have had half their family murdered in front of them and deserve a chance to escape further persecution. I am not sure of the exact circumstances of why they are here and not in another country but i do know African countries take more refugees than any others due to their proximity to famine, civil war and opressive regimes.

I hope I havent missed the point here. We could for example direct our aid to proximate nations who are taking refugees and asylum seekers. However the suggestion is now that aid is creating powerull elites in these countries who are organising around mi appropriating these funds.

**Deer Stalker** · 01-12-09 13:50

I think we should send everyone back.

Yep all those who can prove they are only of UK descent can stay, let's see if we can find one?

**Scorchio** · 01-12-09 13:51

Originally Posted by Yarbles

I think the british people are very willing to help people who are genuinely in danger of ill treatment in their own country. My wife meets people who have had half their family murdered in front of them and deserve a chance to escape further persecution.

You left out the part about needing the asylum seekers to do the jobs that no British person would do. "Oh, half your family was killed? That's terrible... here is the plunger, start with the blocked toilets on level 1."

**Didge** · 01-12-09 13:52

Originally Posted by Deer Stalker

I think we should send everyone back.

Yep all those who can prove they are only of UK descent can stay, let's see if we can find one?

Would you care to do the same for virtually every other country on the planet?

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